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Archangel35757
12-09-2011, 05:17 PM
I've been googling 20"/21" standard monitors (what can I say... I just like the square ones over widescreens-- perhaps someone can educate my widescreen ignorance).

I've been looking at this Dell 20" monitor:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=soho&cs=ussoho1&sku=320-4687&SMCID=702&CAWELAID=95977680&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335#Overview

And I've also been looking at these higher-priced NEC monitors:

20-inch: http://www.necdisplay.com/p/lcd2090uxi-bk-1?comparison=1

21-inch: http://www.necdisplay.com/p/lcd2190uxp-bk?comparison=1

I'm building a new workstation that will be using two EVGA GeForce GTX580 3GB cards...

Given what I've paid for components, I probably shouldn't cheap-out on monitors...

So is that Dell Ultrasharp a great monitor for Photoshop (model/character texturing) and 3ds Max CG work? Or are the NEC's so much better that it's worth the extra cash? Display types: IPS -vs- PVA? Or is there another monitor alternative I need to consider?

Thanks.

Archangel35757
12-10-2011, 05:00 AM
I'm currently using dual 19-inch monitors... and in looking at the newer widescreen monitors, it seems that you have to go to 24"-27" size in order to get the same vertical view space as the NEC 21" standard monitor I listed above.

Why are the standard monitors so much more expensive when compared to widescreen monitors?

When 3ds Max is running on a widescreen monitor does it automatically size itself to some standard aspect ratio? Or does it stretch and distort fitting itself to the widescreen (I know... I should come out from under my rock more often...)?

So it looks like I should be searching for a 23"-24" Widescreen, LED-backlit LCD monitor... can anyone make any good recommendations? Or should I just crawl back under my rock with a pair of the standard NEC displays? :hmm:

FolkenBR
12-10-2011, 06:34 AM
I do have 2x17s 4:3 sony monitors that i love!
But, i gotta say... the Ultrasharps Wides won my heart!
Anyway, it depends on how u like tbh... i do think that A large wide monitor would be better =)

wiz4rd
12-10-2011, 10:45 AM
Why are the standard monitors so much more expensive when compared to widescreen monitors?
Because standard (4:3, or 5:4?) monitors are hardly sold anymore, and thus they are produced in way less.
It's hard enough to find a good 16:10 monitor instead of 16:9.


When 3ds Max is running on a widescreen monitor does it automatically size itself to some standard aspect ratio? Or does it stretch and distort fitting itself to the widescreen (I know... I should come out from under my rock more often...)?
Umm, what? :curious:

3ds Max running on a widescreen monitor wouldn't look any different, except for a little more horizontal space.

A 4:3 monitor has a resolution of, say, 1600x1200 px, while a 16:10 widescreen monitor would have 1920x1200 px -- at least at 24". So, as long as you're running the correct, that is, native resolution for your monitor there won't be any stretching or scaling or whatever.

So it looks like I should be searching for a 23"-24" Widescreen, LED-backlit LCD monitor... can anyone make any good recommendations? Or should I just crawl back under my rock with a pair of the standard NEC displays? :hmm:
Why not a pair of 24" widescreen monitors? ;)

Archangel35757
12-10-2011, 02:27 PM
Ok... after educating myself a bit more on widescreens-- I'm now considering the Dell Ultrasharp U2410 monitor. However, this is not LED back-lit... is that a con? I definitely want to get a very good 16:10 aspect ratio monitor. I was comparing these three on Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007617%20600012663&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&CompareItemList=20%7C24%2D236%2D119%5E24%2D236%2D119%2DTS%2C24%2D176%2D165%5E24%2D176%2D165%2DTS%2C24%2D260%2D020%5E24%2D260%2D020%2DTS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007617%20600012663&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&CompareItemList=20%7C24%2D236%2D119%5E24%2D236%2D119%2DTS%2C24%2D176%2D165%5E24%2D176%2D165%2DTS%2C24%2D260%2D020%5E24%2D260%2D020%2DTS)

Edit: Does anyone use this Dell Ultrasharp U2410 in a dual monitor setup? That seems to take up a lot of desk top real estate. What about viewing these in a dual-monitor setup... you wouldn't be directly looking into one of them-- does this cause neck strain or any uncomfortable ergonomics?

cgbeige
12-10-2011, 04:31 PM
I have two NEC 2490WUXi Spectraviews and they're amazing. They are worth the extra cash because of the hardware/software calibration they come with that can match the displays. But there is a catch: even with these displays, I had to buy a $500 Colormunki Photo to profile my Epson 7890 to get it to match my display so I'm not even using the Spectraview features anymore because I need to prioritize print output matching, not inter-monitor matches.

What I'm saying is that, unless you need accurate colour WITH AN INTENDED TARGET, you don't need to spend a ton on accurate displays and a good calibrator will still be necessary. Just don't go too cheap - I think the Dell's are fine from what I've seen, as long as they don't have that awful 1920 x 1080 resolution

vlad
12-10-2011, 11:36 PM
... What about viewing these in a dual-monitor setup... you wouldn't be directly looking into one of them-- does this cause neck strain or any uncomfortable ergonomics?

If you're worried about that, just get 3 monitors :D Seriously tho, I've been working with a dual setup for many years, but I moved to a triple setup on both my office and home systems for a couple of years now. I spent quite a bit on the main monitor, a 24" Nec Spectraview (same as Dave above) and can absolutely vouch for it. It's flanked by a pair of cheaper Nec 4:3 ratio, 20 inchers with first gen PVA panel. Not as good as the Spectraview but they only hold panels, palettes, explorer, bridge etc. Nice thing is they're about the same height as the main monitor. The drawback is that it requires a second graphic card. But the added screen real estate is a blessing, especially in Max.

cgbeige
12-11-2011, 03:15 AM
I have a third monitor hooked up but never really use it. The Radeon 5870 I have has 3 outputs - you don't need 2 cards

Archangel35757
12-11-2011, 04:23 AM
If you're worried about that, just get 3 monitors :D Seriously tho, I've been working with a dual setup for many years, but I moved to a triple setup on both my office and home systems for a couple of years now. I spent quite a bit on the main monitor, a 24" Nec Spectraview (same as Dave above) and can absolutely vouch for it. It's flanked by a pair of cheaper Nec 4:3 ratio, 20 inchers with first gen PVA panel. Not as good as the Spectraview but they only hold panels, palettes, explorer, bridge etc. Nice thing is they're about the same height as the main monitor. The drawback is that it requires a second graphic card. But the added screen real estate is a blessing, especially in Max.

3 monitors, now there's an idea... two standard 4:3 21" monitors (at 1600x1200) like the NEC's above flanking the 24" Dell U2410 widescreen (at 1920x1200) would look sweet... but not cost effective! The U2410 monitors are selling for ~$500, and the cheapest I can find the 21" standard NEC monitor is ~$830. :eek:

So I guess I'll go with a dual set-up of the Dell U2410 monitors... (44 inch wide setup-- may need to shop for a new desk for home) ...unless anyone has anything bad to say about them that I should consider. Thanks for all the responses...

jipe
12-11-2011, 06:01 PM
I used a 1280x1024 Hitachi LCD for the longest time until I realized I was insane. I'm currently using two 16:9 Dell monitors (the U2311H) and they work well as "entry-level" IPS panels. Not as nice as cgbeige's NEC's, but he needs really accurate color for print work and I just needed something that could be calibrated decently. You might look at the Dell U2412M if you still want 16:10 IPS, but don't need an HDMI port or the wider color gamut that the U2410 provides (and you'd save a bit of money in the process).

Archangel35757
12-11-2011, 11:00 PM
I used a 1280x1024 Hitachi LCD for the longest time until I realized I was insane. I'm currently using two 16:9 Dell monitors (the U2311H) and they work well as "entry-level" IPS panels. Not as nice as cgbeige's NEC's, but he needs really accurate color for print work and I just needed something that could be calibrated decently. You might look at the Dell U2412M if you still want 16:10 IPS, but don't need an HDMI port or the wider color gamut that the U2410 provides (and you'd save a bit of money in the process).
Thanks... I'll take a look at it. :)

Edit: I went ahead and purchased two new Dell U2410 monitors for $489/ea. This thread can be closed. Thanks for all the responses. :thumbsup:

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