AMD's Processor Roadmap.

[eX-one]

I think the Thoroughbred (sp?) chips were being announed tommorow, if not, sometime this week

[minus]

Thanks.... I'm gonna wait a bit..... Otherwise thinking of donig the XP to MP hack and trying a couple of XP1900 chips.

[ZrO-1]

Yeah the Throughbred core chips are supposed to be announced sometime this coming week. If AMD follows the typical format, new lower prices on existing chips should be announced shortly after. I wouldn't bother with the XP -> MP hack if this is going to be a workstation PC you're building. In a workstation stability and reliability should be your top concerns. The performance differences aren't that huge that one or two processor steps will have a large impact on the overall speed of your system. I would recomend getting the best MP's that you can for your money and not risk hacking a slightly faster XP instead.

Just my 2 cents.

[eX-one]

I agree, you've already spent to get the right board, what's another 50 bucks or so to get the chips that were made for the task.

[minus]

O.k.... now a couple minutes into June 10th and the press release is HERE (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_2315,00.html) .

In short... not much new... just a new XP 2200+ proc based on the new .13 micron tech for lower power / heat. Will be interesting to see what this does to prices. I would have liked if they released 3 steps or at least 2 steps at once... instead of just this one next step processor.. as it will probably be expensive for a while since it's latest / greatest.

[UrbanFuturistic]

Roadmap is here (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_608,00.html)
regards, Paulhttp://homepage.ntlworld.com/odubtaig/smilies/coffee.gif

[MadMax]

Originally posted by minus
Thanks.... I'm gonna wait a bit..... Otherwise thinking of donig the XP to MP hack and trying a couple of XP1900 chips.


There is no "hack". Use Xp's as if it was an MP chip, nothing else required.

However, it is not 100% assured that it will always work.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by minus
In short... not much new... just a new XP 2200+ proc based on the new .13 micron tech for lower power / heat. Will be interesting to see what this does to prices.


Bad news.

these are almost the same power draw, and the die is 40% smaller, meaning far less space to dissipate the same amount of heat.

meaning these are going to REQUIRE massive cooling to avoid burn ups.

Think they were hot before, look out now.

[minus]

Yea... I agree...this new chip behaves nothing like what was expected from a first run of a chip going to a smaller micron manufacturing process.

As far as hacking XP's to MP... yes there *is* a hack. What your thinking of as far as it not always working is that some XP chips didn't need to be hacked.... they just worked.... but that is not always. In the event that they dont' work.... you can "hack" em... (really simple really).... following the instructions:
HERE (http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/articles.hwz?cid=2&aid=393) .
And for the Nay-Sayers..... there is a follow up article:
HERE (http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/articles.hwz?cid=2&aid=395) .

:wavey:

[MadMax]

Originally posted by minus

As far as hacking XP's to MP... yes there *is* a hack.



Interesting.

Not a single AMD site posted links to this or referenced it. I have seen one pair of 1900's that didn't work.

I currently own 12 Tyan Thunder K7's that all but a couple of them use XP's instead of MP's.

None of mine had a problem with failing to work in MP mode.

[ZrO-1]

12 K7's !!! :drool: :drool: :drool:

[ZrO-1]

http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2870028,00.html

http://www.extremetech.com/article/0,3396,s=1005&a=27874,00.asp

Check out these two articles over on ZDnet and Extreme Tech about the new Throughbred core 2200 XP.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by ZrO-1
http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2870028,00.html

http://www.extremetech.com/article/0,3396,s=1005&a=27874,00.asp

Check out these two articles over on ZDnet and Extreme Tech about the new Throughbred core 2200 XP.


Zdnet is about what I would expect, the ExtremeTech article is full of errors.

Also, a trend I find quite annoying is the Lightwave benchmarks used as they are misleading. Everyone claims this is the "Raytrace" benchmark and it is not. Not one single reviewer has actually used the Raytrace benchmark to compare Intel to AMD, they have used the radiosity render which few people actually use.

The reason this test is biased is that radiosity takes advantage of the SSE2 instructions in the P4, which AMD doesn't have. To get a FAIR comparison of the two processors, the normal raytrace benchmark should be used which allow the Intel and AMD processors to be compared apples to apples.

As it is, the current tests the hardware sites use is most definitely an apples to oranges comparison.

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