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Per-Anders
11-08-2003, 06:01 AM
Just to let you know that along with a new update to Mesh Surgery form teh downloads area to 1.15, we have a new Mesh Brush Script available from (and as part of the download, you will need Mesh Surgery 1.15 to run this script).

http://www.peranders.com/c4d8/ms/

This script allows you to interactively paint hair onto an objects surface using the Mesh Surgery Mesh Brush.
thus

http://www.peranders.com/c4d8/ms/meshbrushimages/hairbot02.jpg

and thus

http://www.peranders.com/c4d8/ms/meshbrushimages/toonhair02.jpg
(rendered with the awesome Sketch & Toon).

You get control over length (even control using pressure there), kinkyness, gravity, kink size, hair detail etc...


Have fun :)
modestmouse
11-08-2003, 06:30 AM
looks sweet!!! I might be handing you my money soon :beer:
InTheCity
11-08-2003, 06:36 AM
Nice, cool plugin! Where did you get sketch and toon?

what the funk?
obeardy
11-08-2003, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by InTheCity
Nice, cool plugin! Where did you get sketch and toon?

what the funk?

beta tester ;)
Neoklassik
11-08-2003, 07:00 AM
For some reason I can't get gravity to do anything, all splines go straight up... no matter what I set it at. :hmm:

Mac Dual G4
10.2.8
Jake-L
11-08-2003, 07:05 AM
Gravity works fine here (PC).

This script is soooo what i've been looking for!

Thanks Per/Paul for a nice surprise, once again.

(Edit) I noticed one thing:
If you're painting multiple layers of hair - i.e. creating different hair splines rather than adding to the same spline with the "Compound" option checked - you have to rename the previous splines from "Mesh Brush Spline" to something else, otherwise the new splines will not be painted.
InTheCity
11-08-2003, 07:06 AM
Thanks for the reply. Can I get the Beta Test too?
Per-Anders
11-08-2003, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by Neoklassik
For some reason I can't get gravity to do anything, all splines go straight up... no matter what I set it at. :hmm:

Mac Dual G4
10.2.8

you may need to increase the Knot factor (detail). also don't paint on a straight vertical surface only (as it's particle vector based, which means it wont be able to turn downwards).
Jake-L
11-08-2003, 07:30 AM
To In the city:

>>Can I get the Beta Test too?

The hair brush script is a free addon to the Mesh Surgery C4D plugin. The sketch&toon is a new module by Maxon.

I think the beta cycle for S&T is over by now (and it is a Maxon project)
Per-Anders
11-08-2003, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by Jake L
I noticed one thing:
If you're painting multiple layers of hair - i.e. creating different hair splines rather than adding to the same spline with the "Compound" option checked - you have to rename the previous splines from "Mesh Brush Spline" to something else, otherwise the new splines will not be painted.

hmm, i don't get that here, instead the new splines are just added to the old object (just like the spline paint brushscript), you can just move the mesh brish splines obejct further down too, and it will generate a new one for you.
Jake-L
11-08-2003, 08:07 AM
Funny, I tested this issue twice before posting.

But now there's no way of repeating it - everything works as you described. (Not that it was any serious in the first place).

Now, back to making hairy things.......:)
kiwi
11-08-2003, 08:12 AM
Very nice Per :thumbsup:



Should do grass as well I would think..
kromekat
11-08-2003, 10:03 AM
Thanks Per! - excellent additions!!

I was messing with MS again last night (who needs sleep right!?) to get a feel for all the features, and the mesh brush alone just keeps making me smile! :D

:applause:
kromekat
11-08-2003, 10:36 AM
I must be missing something - I got the 1.15 from the downloads, but where is the Hair script again!?
Per-Anders
11-08-2003, 10:40 AM
In the same zip as the cdl/xdl file. If you unzipped it in a busy folder you might have difficulty finding it again :D however not to worry, it's also available for download from the scripts page

http://www.peranders.com/c4d8/ms/

then click on the link to additional mesh brush scripts, just above the videos.

edit : i just realised you might have downloaded from Pauls site, and i don't know if he included the Hair Brush script in his zips, in which case you'll have to go and download it from the scripts page as above.
kromekat
11-08-2003, 10:46 AM
Oh I got it from the scripts page now - my cache must have been still on yesterdays page!

The upgrades are never zipped for me, they are always just the pure xdl file straight down to my desktop!? :)
Per-Anders
11-08-2003, 10:49 AM
ah, i zip em on my site, Paul might not on his, you can download from either site it shouldnt' make much difference (provided the version number is the same) the links to each site are on the pages. :)
Geespot
11-08-2003, 10:53 AM
Fantsatic, great work The Third Party. The mesh script is one powerful tool :beer:
GFX-Arts
11-08-2003, 11:58 AM
Hi all,

im new in c4d.... sorry for my bad english...

The HairBrush ist only a Text-File?
Where can i get Mesh Surgery 1.15?
Is Mesh Surgery 1.15 freeware or what does it cost?

Thanks!

Edit: I have found... its commercial
Kirl
11-08-2003, 12:08 PM
Wow, all those cool meshbrushes convinced me to buy this instead of 8.5...

I'm wondering though, is the hairbrush render intensive?
kromekat
11-08-2003, 12:16 PM
Wow, all those cool meshbrushes convinced me to buy this instead of 8.5...


Same here - more features, better price! ;)
AdamT
11-08-2003, 12:34 PM
Keep in mind that if you want Sketch & Tune you'll also need 8.5.
flingster
11-08-2003, 01:44 PM
hey thats cool...thanks mdme_sadie.:thumbsup:
Neoklassik
11-08-2003, 03:29 PM
Hmmm... what am I doing wrong?

http://www.3dfightclub.com/~neoklassik/uploads/Hair_Pic.jpg
tcastudios
11-08-2003, 04:24 PM
Iīm sorry but now (1.15) it happends on ALL polys.
Making JigSaw very difficult.
tcastudios
11-08-2003, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by Neoklassik
Hmmm... what am I doing wrong?



It seems that MS doesnt uses "live" selection of normals while painting. (Like SurfacePainter does, MS= green hairs(parallel) SP= red hairs (normals direction).

Lennart
tcastudios
11-08-2003, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by Neoklassik
Hmmm... what am I doing wrong?

You have the strength set to negative value.
Thats why your hair is having an electric shock!!

Lennart
Neoklassik
11-08-2003, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by tcastudios
Originally posted by Neoklassik
Hmmm... what am I doing wrong?

You have the strength set to negative value.
Thats why your hair is having an electric shock!!

Lennart

That was it...
Thanks!:applause:
Per-Anders
11-08-2003, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by tcastudios
It seems that MS doesnt uses "live" selection of normals while painting. (Like SurfacePainter does, MS= green hairs(parallel) SP= red hairs (normals direction).

Lennart

yes it does... but you have to have "Compound" switched on for COFFEE to update it's brushes normals direction.
tcastudios
11-08-2003, 08:03 PM
Tops!
I learn something every day.

Anything about the JigSaw issue?

Or have I missed something?

Yours
Lennart
Per-Anders
11-08-2003, 08:24 PM
the third party forums are the place for bugs :)
tcastudios
11-08-2003, 08:30 PM
Yup.
It is pretty tedious to double post, both here and there!

I hereby promise to only post to MS-Forum.

Letīs get more busy over there!

Oh,and as a last note over here regarding MS.
It is simply great. Very great.

Cheers
Lennart
Erik Heyninck
11-08-2003, 09:01 PM
thanks.
kromekat
11-08-2003, 11:16 PM
Keep in mind that if you want Sketch & Tune you'll also need 8.5.

Oh yeah I know - I guess I'll probably get the upgrade before the months out, but in oreder of priority of extremely useful tools, MS won! :)

Sketch and Tune looks fantastic, but I think I probably need an ugrade to BP2 first unless some client comes along and asks for something that S&T can do, in which case.. they'll be paying for it! ;D
Kirl
11-09-2003, 05:52 PM
Can anybody tell me how heavy (on the processor) the hair brush is?

Does it slow your scene etc?

Thanks.
Geespot
11-09-2003, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by Kirl
Can anybody tell me how heavy (on the processor) the hair brush is?

Does it slow your scene etc?

Thanks.

It creates splines so it does zilch to your processor :)

To render is a different story. Simply sweeping a circle spline with the hair splines, your system can crawl to a halt (when rotating viewports etc). But I suppose its just the same with Hair Department.

Of course you can always hide the hair in the editor to speed things up.
tcastudios
11-09-2003, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by Kirl
Can anybody tell me how heavy (on the processor) the hair brush is?

Does it slow your scene etc?

Thanks.
Iīd say SolidSpline Pro is a must in these cases.

Cheers
Lennart
flingster
11-09-2003, 07:02 PM
hair painting seems to freeze on me..get to start brushing and creates a few hairs then seems to freeze and not continue painting any ideas..what i'm doing wrong?
:shrug:
Per-Anders
11-09-2003, 09:11 PM
with regards speed, i should mention that when Sketch & Toon comes out, the render speed is pretty swift.

flingster - maybe try making sure you have the soft selection set to "No-Falloff" and see if that helps, in the other modes it's linked to the brush being within range of a vertex to modify, so that may be what you're coming up against.
flingster
11-09-2003, 09:13 PM
cheers will give that a try then..thought it might be simple..:thumbsup:
neods
11-10-2003, 10:50 AM
Can those splines be animated with the HairDepartment animation feature?
tcastudios
11-10-2003, 10:54 AM
I had the same thought, but couldnīt get it working. I only put the ext. "hsk" to it and no go. I assume there is more to it than just doing that.

Cheers
Lennart
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