why are my skelegons twisted?

[mrunion]

Going WAY out on a limb here, but....

I *think* it also depends on which viewport they are drawn in when using modeller. I think a video tute at digiwonl mentioned that sometimes you have to draw in a certain viewport or things can twist later.

An expert can confirm/explain this better, or can completely correct me if I'm wrong.

[madrenderman]

building skelegon in modeler use different view to orient bank angle, usually bank angle (rappresented by a line with circle at top) is oriented at 90° respect the view used to build skelegon.

if you not understand try that, start on front view and build some skelegon, then check the bank angle.

redo that but in top and left view, you can see different bank angle orientation fron different building view.
have a nice day.

[SplineGod]

The skelegon and the bank handle determine the "pitch" plane of the child. If you draw the skelegons from the wrong viewport it will totally screw things up.
The bank handles are created perpendicular to the viewport you draw the skelegons in.

[projectcoil]

If you are doing a biped, there is a really nice rig made by 3DDave. Adjust the skelgons in modeler and you should be on your way. No one accused you of not reading the manual, so... :curious:

link (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65961)

[ChrisBasken]

I suppose I should clarify.

If I draw a skelegon using, say, the Right view and drawing it "flat" along the Z, it's okay. If I make the skelegon at any angle other than completely horizontal, it twists as if banking along its length. I understand the bank handle, but this isn't what's turning.

If I select the skelegon as a polygon and just rotate it, this also happens.

For example, I draw a skelegon:
http://chriz.basken.com/download/images/bone_01.jpg

Then I drag the tip up:
http://chriz.basken.com/download/images/bone_02.jpg

All I've done is pull the finer tip up in the Right viewport, but the bone has rotated.

The same is true if I select it and rotate it:
http://chriz.basken.com/download/images/bone_03.jpg

Manipulating the bank handle has no effect.

Am I being dense? How do I get it to simply pitch without banking?

[SplineGod]

If you draw a skelegon (that will be part of a spinal column) in the right view for a character facing down the Z axis the pitch will be wrong if you expect pitch to be around the X axis.
Turning the bone has no effect on its pitch. ONLY using the bank handles will do this.

[ChrisBasken]

Originally posted by SplineGod
Turning the bone has no effect on its pitch. ONLY using the bank handles will do this.

Ah, okay. So the rotation of the skelegon itself is irrelevant so long as the bank handles are set properly?

[Carm3D]

Yeah, in addition to that, here's a quirk: After initially drawing your skelegon, you cannot adjust the bank handle until you have added at least one more skelegon.

If there's only one Skelegon, using the "Edit Skelegons" tool doesn't seem to let you adjust the bank handle. Maybe because it's assuming it's the only bone you'll have in your model and this stuff is for how the child bone is effected.. but I think it assumes too much. :)

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